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    Submissions have now closed.

    As we move to the next stage will be engaging the necessary planner and expert consultants needed.

    So we will need to rasie funds. EPT have spent over $600,000 to date - we will only need a fraction of that!
    Having this declined previously at the Unitary Plan hearings, cost $30,000.

    Donations needed:
    Please make payments to:  

    Eden Park Neighbours' Assoc - ASB   12-3016-0497668-00

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    March 2020 Concert update:

    What does Eden Park Trust Board (EPTB) want?

    - 6 Concerts per year (the same as Mt Smart)
    - A 75dBALeq noise limit (same as Mt Smart) - 15 min average not the maximum
    - LOUDEST concerts at the West end facing up to Mt Eden
    - Stage pyrotechnics, firework displays, aerial displays and helicopters - up to 140dB
    - Crowd sizes of 50,000 (midweek) to 60,000
    - And 11pm finish Fri/Sat and 10.30pm other days
    - Start times of 6.30pm mid-week
    - Daytime concerts / festivals any day of the week
    - Duration of 4- 6 hrs - but can be two on same day.
    - 3hrs of rehearsals/sound checks 
    - Can have 4 within a two-week period, on top of normal sports,non-sporting events and functions etc
    - Pack-in and out throughout the night




    What will the effects of concerts be? 

    - Noise will be intrusive and severely impact normal residential amenity - especially as it is during the warmer months
    with windows and doors open. And it is distorted outside the ground.
    - Amenity is personal - getting young kids to sleep, having friends over for a BBQ, sleeping yourself!
    - Amenity is also what you buy your property rights. Will concerts impact the value when you come to sell?  
    - 75dBA is unenforceable, and we believe it will be much worse.  
    - In practice a band's sound mixing desk controls noise, and a 15min average outside the ground is ineffective.  
    - Noise is complex, and low frequency vibration will be a major issue over a large area. Noise also has health  
    impacts. And it will be an issue for local businesses trying to trade and protect their staff.  
    - Finish times and noise levels will be impossible to enforce.  
    - Concerts are a major exercise, taking over both grounds for 1-2 weeks, and with hundreds of truck movements  
    and staff operating all through the night. 
    - They also want military Tattoos - explains the 140dBA request! These can sometimes include military exercises,  
    helicopters, mock battles with gunfire, fireworks etc. This would be unacceptable in a residential area. 
    Wellington's Tattoo was over 4 consecutive nights!  
    - Mid-week 50,000 crowds for a 6.30pm start clashing with peak traffic and buses/trains has never been done.  
    Meaning a lack of on street parking after work, arterial roads gridlocked, and concert patrons spread over a
    large area. Each type of concert/artist also brings different crowd behaviours. 
    - These unprecedented crowd numbers within the area after the event will bring patron and traffic noise after
    midnight - including on work and school days.  


    A real concert (U2 Mt Smart) vs EPTB model:




    Check out more noise background here



    Debunking recent PR flyer:


    EPTB's recent PR flyer was woeful in addressing anything substantive.
    Claims to "mitigate" concerts are rubbish, as the noise levels are set beyond any acoustic barrier, so unaffected.
    Most of the rest predicated on the flawed idea Auckland is missing 6 new concerts every year!

    For a full analysis of the flaws check this page



    Debunking the state housing myth.  

    We've had questions about the past misinformation regarding the possibility of Eden Park becoming state housing if it EPTB didn't get  
    concerts. 

    This is "fake news" so don't be put off opposing concerts because of this ruse.  

    1. As we've outlined previously, they are profitable without concerts. 
    2. It can't happen under the current Trust Deed, which has access provisions for rugby and cricket. 
    3. Large areas are zoned for intensification around here anyway - therefore EPTB land is not needed - except maybe as open space/sports
        fields if they ever moved. 
    4. If EPTB get concerts it is in fact more likely that we'll see 5-9 storey buildings on the No2 as EPTB has previously proposed.  

    Therefore, even more reason to oppose concerts. 


    You can See full details here  

    But here's what EPTB wanted as height and commercial zoning on the No2 - during the Unitary Plan hearing - no reason to see that this won't be the case again if they get concerts

















    It is essential for you to OPPOSE the application for concerts in order to:

    * Keep cricket at Eden Park, 

    * Keep early season Blues games here, 

    * Protect the No2 from being sold/developed.

    Protecting your residential amenity also protects Eden Park's fine sporting tradition.


    We can aslo see in EPTB's concert layout how much of the No. 2 is taken off cricket for an extended period of time, and with
    up to 17,000 people on the field, the remediation time could be substantial.

    But also we see how unsuitable the ground is for concerts - with it's oval seating bowl, menaing large numbers of seats, lounges
    and corporate boxes, being unusable. This is even with a shallow stage and tight sightelines.






    The image below is an overlay of the closest streets around Eden Park, measured from front/centre of a stage.

    Would you take a young child to these areas during a U2 concert without ear protection? 




     

    Within 1 Km of Mt Smart – only 93 houses



    Within 1Km of Eden Park – 4000 dwellings





























































    Jul2018
    Update re submissions. There was a lot of misinformation around submission numbers and support / opposition. Having now gone through submissions and removed the out of area ones (even as far as Wanaka!) we see that the majority of local submissions opposed the concert proposal.

    Eden Park Trust have indicated they will withdraw their concert application.

    One again it’s worth looking at the whole process/project:
    ·       Sir Avery chose the day/date for his charity concert and chose a venue where
    concerts aren’t permitted.
    ·       Eden Park has no noise limits worked out in the Unitary Plan for concerts.
    ·       Eden Park has tried and failed to get concerts multiple times.
    ·       Eden Park put in an application without a noise limit
    ·       Eden Park applied to work all through the concert night/next day on dismantling.
    ·       Eden Park provided no details on pack in/pack out noise.
    ·       Eden Park used noise models lower than Forsyth Barr.


    Mt Smart has 39 corporate boxes, and a lounge for almost 1000. It also has numerous other areas 
    eg athletic track and fields for other activities.





    Update 24 July 2018
    There have been a number of incorrect media statements recently. 

    It’s worth returning to the big picture.

    ·       Sir Avery chose the day/date for his charity concert and chose a venue where
     concerts aren’t permitted.
    ·       Eden Park has no noise limits worked out in the Unitary Plan for concerts.
    ·       Eden Park has tried and failed to get concerts multiple times.
    ·       Eden Park put in an application without a noise limit
    ·       Eden Park applied to work all through the concert night/next day on dismantling.
    ·       Eden Park provided no details on pack in/pack out noise.
    ·       Eden Park used noise models lower than Forsyth Barr.

     

     Over the last few months there has also been a stream of assertions that Eden Park use to underpin the need for concerts.

     

    A half Billion $ asset. – costs/revaluations to date are $ 268m - that’s the value invested to date by rugby and cricket and the government. They have a $442m insured replacement but that’s irrelevant.

     

    Can’t repay debts

    In the last 3 years they have repaid loans of almost $3m (Loans: $52.3m in 2015, down to $49.5m as at Oct 2017). And they still have $2.3m in term investments. Most of these loans were due to extra things the Trust wanted from the RWC redevelopment eg new East stand, above that funded by the government.

    They made a $4m profit last year before depreciation.
    They also took $640,000 out of the wider charity fund pool for other charites via Pokie fund applications granted last year.

    Eden Park always makes a profit pre Depreciation. 
    While they choose to depreciate buildings faster than other stadiums, it is just an accounting entry. The previous depreciation for the old South stand wasn’t expected to fund a brand new replacement, and government funding was used instead. This will be the case for any future replacements. Therefore on a pre depreciation basis the Trust is profitable, and as above is repaying debts.

     

    Under- utilized

    Apart from major sporting events, they undertake numerous other sporting events eg No 2/training facilities etc.

    They also hold 1000 functions a year, many of which a large school balls, corporate functions. And of course full daily use as offices. It is an intensively used site, and therefore had appropriate planning rules.

     

    Will be state housing

    This scare tactic was used in the “push” survey.

    Factually, there is no existing proposed CBD alternative that would see Eden Park closed. And that if the region and sports codes backed a CBD option, it won’t be for another 10-15 years. Regardless of concerts. In fact if Eden Park get concerts it will reduce Council revenue, and increase our rates.

     

    BUT – there would need to be a proper plan change done to the Unitary Plan for new uses. This would be open to submissions, appeals etc. With a large site like this, it would get a proper coordinated plan.  

    At any rate as a local community, we would have a say via a Unitary Plan change.

     These assertions have taken hold with some people, so worth the actual facts above.




      Eden Park makes 6th attempt for concerts at Eden Park

    Open July2018 Newsletter 


    Eden Park starts concerts push with a NO NOISE LIMIT application !!    

    Put your submission in this week  - follow link below - click make a submission
    Link below has full application - also see submission points below

     https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/have-your-say/have-your-say-notified-resource-consent/notified-resource-consent-applications-open-submissions/Pages/ResourceConsentApplication.aspx?itemId=213&applNum=LUC60321018

     Submissions close 5pm 12 July.

     Update: some people were unaware this isn’t just a one-off, but part of full concert push -these links show EP intention, prior to meeting Sir Avery, and Council view after moving speedway (allow more concerts at Eden Park):
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12005213
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12066450

    Eden Park want to be "concert central". This could mean 6 concerts or more a year. To start this they have applied for a "charity" themed concert.

    The application highlights their continued belief that they should have no constraints, by having no noise limit.

    By applying without a noise limit, they appear to want to ignore the residential constraints and to run an event at whatever set up and noise level they want - regardless of impacts on the neighbourhood.

     This time is worse with no proposed noise limit
    •  Noise model not for full concert setup/configuration and levels
    •  No crowd noise modelled
    •  7-8 days of setup - including a full 24hr /overnight and multiple functions
    •  very late finish   
    •  NO mitigation
    •  If charity event doesn’t happen - can keep and vary consent to a later concert

    •  Concerts are loud! 964m from Mt Smart, they record 50% more than now at  
       Walters/Cricket roads
    •  No one moved here to be next to concerts
    •  There is no doubt that, for most people, concerts at Eden Park will make our
       neighbourhood a less attractive area to move in to.

         

     Eden Park have applied before - declined by Independent Commissioners and Environment Court Judge. As part of the increase in night games from 16 to 25, they withdrew concerts and assured Council, the Environment Court and ourselves they would concentrate on sport and not concerts. Previous applications at least had a noise level limit proposed - albeit at a level deemed unacceptable - this one does not.

     While linked to a charity, the event itself looks fully commercial, and it doesn't detail charity funding sources. Given the charity hasn't confirmed/signed the artist, telethon parts etc, there is a very real chance that if the event doesn't go ahead after gaining consent, Eden Park Trust could keep and vary the consent (likely non-notified) to a later concert of their choosing. So relying on the "charity" element as justification, comes with risks.

    Noise Details

     •  Noise levels are complex - a 10 dBA increase is a doubling (100% increase) in noise
        levels.

      Application understates noise levels. Only uses 2 speaker arrays, with wrong location
         and height

      Should have used 4-6 speaker arrays / some angled towards houses, height near the
       top       of Terraces and base speakers across front of the stage.

       And relay tower speakers hung from cranes part way down ground, and possibly
                 additional 


        
    Submission
    •  you and your family's details / ages etc / work and school commitments the next day
    •  impacts you get from full capacity events now - eg traffic, parking, crowds, disruption
       etc how this will affect you for this concert.
    •  likely concert noise effects on you - distance from ground, level you expect and
       how that will impct on you nd your family
    •  if you’re close to the ground, the 7-8 days of construction, all the truck movements
    •  detail the impacts from the later finish time for the concert.
    •  raise any areas where the application is deficient in details eg Telethon, noise of
       stage build, proper area wide noise analysis
    •  also explain the cumulative impact of the concert, the 7-8 days of build/removal,
       sound testing, checks and all the normal day to day events in Feb/March.
      

      










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    March 2020 Concert update:

    Concerts - What does Eden Park Trust want?

    - 6 Concerts per year (the same as Mt Smart)
    - A 75dBALeq noise limit (same as Mt Smart) - 15 min average not the maximum
    - LOUDEST concerts at the West end facing up to Mt Eden
    - Stage pyrotechnics, firework displays, aerial displays and helicopters – up to 140dB
    - Crowd sizes of 50,000 (midweek) to 60,000
    - And 11pm finish Fri/Sat and 10.30pm other days
    - Start times of 6.30pm mid-week
    - Daytime concerts / festivals any day of the week
    - Duration of 4- 6 hrs - but can be two on same day.
    - 3hrs of rehearsals/sound checks
    - Can have 4 within a two-week period, on top of normal sports,non-sporting events and functions etc
    - Pack-in and out throughout the night

    Protecting your residential amenity also protects Eden Park's fine sporting tradition.


    We can aslo see in EPTB’s cocnert layout how much of the No. 2 is taken off cricekt for an extended period of time, and with
    up to 17,000 people on the field, the remediation time could be substantial.

    But also we see how unsuitable the ground is for concerts - with it’s oval seating bowl, menaing large numbers of seats, lounges
    and corporate boxes, being unusable - even with a shallow stage below, and using very narrow nightlines, huge areas will be empty.